Birthday Prezzie

TWBryan said:

Wow,16 ftlb is it difficult to cock? Saw what you mean about the FX,they ain't the pellet for that gun.

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It's actually easier and lighter to cock than my 12-13 fpe 97, TW, and a lot easier than the Stoeger, which is also 16 fpe, but a gas rammer.

The barrel breaks quickly, unlike the Stoeger, which requires a good slapping to open the breech. I was pleasantly surprised at the smoothness and lightness of the cocking action on the 85, and that was before I found out it was putting out 16 fpe!

Dunno if it has the new-style cocking shoe in place or not. I won't be tinkering with it so long as it keeps shooting well. OK, I might have a look at the trigger, which is very stiff to adjust. I suspect I might find the not-unusual bent plate where the adjustment screw goes into the trigger assembly.

If you pull off the stock to check the trigger the new cocking shoe is noticeable, it might or might not have a piston liner as well. CCan you tell if the breech lock up is a ball bearing or a standard "chisel-point" type? So far it sounds like you got a good one.

Can't find Bisley Mags anywhere in France, as per usual in this air rifle desert.

Yes, I know I can order them from the UK, but the postage effectively doubles the price of an already overpriced tin of pellets.

I have a mate over there at the moment, I'll see if he's got space in the car for a couple of tins...

Managed to find JSB Exact Jumbo Heavies and Exact Jumbo Monsters at my usual French online store, so I'll give those a try too.

TWBryan said:

If you pull off the stock to check the trigger the new cocking shoe is noticeable, it might or might not have a piston liner as well. CCan you tell if the breech lock up is a ball bearing or a standard "chisel-point" type? So far it sounds like you got a good one.

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TW, it has the standard "chisel" lock-up mechanism, but the new-style "flower petal" breech arrangement, which I've read about but not seen before:

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The inside of the breech port is a little difficult to see in the photos, but it's chamfered, which makes pellet insertion extremely easy. The breech on my 97 (and Stoeger) is flush with the breech block, making pellet insertion a bit fiddly. This arrangement is much more user-friendly.

And here are a couple of pictures of the scoped rifle with my proper camera...

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If it shoots Bisley Magnums consistently as well as it was starting to shoot them yesterday before I emptied the tin, it will be a very good rifle indeed... fingers crossed!

I've missed all this.
It's that old box magic again. Long barrel is better you see!!

As you noticed the trigger adjuster is dead soft if it's that gold colour it comes off real easy. I have used bull nosed pliers to adjust not to damage the screw end, but it pulled the finish off, dead stiff from new, much easier to turn after six months or so.
I've a few spare site slip in jobbies that fit in the barrel end if you can reach. If you take that barrel end open site thingy off watch out as it's dead brittle and is easy to damage too. I don't think I've seen an 85 before.
Interesting to see the new breech I wonder if it has any function, I've heard they can be difficult to get off.
Lovely finish on HW's.

The 95's used to be around £185 I think you can still get discounted guns that price if they are not Hull Cartridge imported.

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William Tell said:

I've missed all this.
It's that old box magic again. Long barrel is better you see!!

As you noticed the trigger adjuster is dead soft if it's that gold colour it comes off real easy. I have used bull nosed pliers to adjust not to damage the screw end, but it pulled the finish off, dead stiff from new, much easier to turn after six months or so.
I've a few spare site slip in jobbies that fit in the barrel end if you can reach. If you take that barrel end open site thingy off watch out as it's dead brittle and is easy to damage too. I don't think I've seen an 85 before.
Interesting to see the new breech I wonder if it has any function, I've heard they can be difficult to get off.
Lovely finish on HW's.

The 95's used to be around £185 I think you can still get discounted guns that price if they are not Hull Cartridge imported.

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£185 is 257€, I paid 265€ for the 85, so not a bad price if you take inflation into account...

The trigger and adjustment screw on the 85 are just metallic-looking, they don't have that fake gold finish, which I'm quite pleased about. My 97 looks a lot better with a black Rowan trigger, and no bling bling jobbie... and like you say, the gold blah finish wears off rather quickly.

I have all the inserts for the front sight, they came with the gun. Shan't be using them though -- I can see the target OK over open sights at 15 yards, but any further than that, and it's just guesswork -- a four-inch target card is just an ickle blob, and there's no way to tell where the bullseye is.

The breech port is very handy, you can just slip one in there lovely, Matron. Don't know what the petals are about, presumably some new way of fixing the barrel to the breech block. Not planning to swap barrels, so the harder it is to shift, the better!

The petals are for a spanner type tool it comes ooof apparently.

Open sights are the proper jobby. I can see the bit at the front but the hole at the end is a no!!

So you got a proper .22 plinker at last then Keith now you can start trying to plink like us folk who already new!!

That looks really nice CH and not to dissimilar to my 95. My 95 looks like that too, if I remember rightly.

So lads who's running the book on how long it takes CH to take it to bits then, coz you know what he's like. CH, you and Don are driving me towards my next rifle ya pair of bassas. Told her indoors today, all the overtime I'm doing now is for a new scope and then a Pro Sport and another scope. Good job I was texting her from work, coz the the second word of her reply was off, but you probably guessed that. She was standing in the kitchen with the carving knife scowling at me down the hall when I opened the front door tonight. New rifle on hold.

Ian a second hand HW100 is heaps better than a new Pro-Sport any day.
A TX is a far better plinker in any case.

I can't remember if you have a 100 already, if you have this will be rather pointless..

William Tell said:

Ian a second hand HW100 is heaps better than a new Pro-Sport any day.
A TX is a far better plinker in any case.

I can't remember if you have a 100 already, if you have this will be rather pointless..

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No Wurzel, I don't have a HW100. I have S510, HW95 and TX200HC. If I buy another aerosol it would be the Ultimate Sporter. I quite fancy the HW77 with green or brown laminate stock, but after my experience the HW95 I would only consider a tuned version, which would make it bloody expensive.

You don't want to get one of those Grand Pa,a 77 is just the predecessor to the 97 which has instead of a silencer a nasty lump of plastic at the end. The only good point is it has a longer barrel. Maybe the stroke is a bit longer too. No longer any point buying a 77 I think.
If you already have a TX there is no point either really getting a 77 or a 97 or a Pro-Sport get a HW100 you won't keep the S510 long if you do.
Don has a S400 and a HW100 I bet he recognizes a good un when he's got one.

grandadfatboy said:

No Wurzel, I don't have a HW100. I have S510, HW95 and TX200HC. If I buy another aerosol it would be the Ultimate Sporter. I quite fancy the HW77 with green or brown laminate stock, but after my experience the HW95 I would only consider a tuned version, which would make it bloody expensive.

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Get an HW85, the manly version of the 95. Cracking rifle straight out of the box.

Yes, I know, you want to slap me...

Coypu Hunter said:

Get an HW85, the manly version of the 95. Cracking rifle straight out of the box.

Yes, I know, you want to slap me...

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Am I alone in thinking that sticking a scope on ruins the look of a good looking gun? What did shooters do before scopes were in vented? Nobody starved.

Get an HW85, the manly version of the 95. Cracking rifle straight out of the box.

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If it's that manly, how come you've had to dress it with a scope? Surely iron sights are just for for you.

Right, now don't fecking duck. INCOMING. Slap, slap, slap. PMSL

Glad to hear it's great out of the box. It just appears to be a minority that aren't, and I got one of those. With a little patience and practice, I feel it has improved my shooting and I'd taken my accuracy with it as far as possible. I know from shooting Trampy's version, just what to expect from it when I get it back thou.

Donposter said:

Am I alone in thinking that sticking a scope on ruins the look of a good looking gun? What did shooters do before scopes were in vented? Nobody starved.

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Yup, you're alone. Get yer coat, and mind the door doesn't smack you in the ârse on the way out.

I don't mind iron sights, I shoot 'em on my pistols all the time at 25 metres -- but at a great big target that has an eight-inch black circle within a 20X20 inch white surround. The black circle sits nicely on top of the sight picture, and I can even adjust the position of the black circle within that sight picture at that range to compensate for different-powered cartridges.

Out to 15 yards, I can shoot the 85 reasonably well over open sights. However, when shooting at a four-inch target card at 33 yards, all I can see is a tiny white blob. A scope makes it possible to aim at the bullseye, rather than just loosing off pellets in the general direction of the target.

Capisce?

grandadfatboy said:

If it's that manly, how come you've had to dress it with a scope? Surely iron sights are just for for you.

Right, now don't fecking duck. INCOMING. Slap, slap, slap. PMSL

Glad to hear it's great out of the box. It just appears to be a minority that aren't, and I got one of those. With a little patience and practice, I feel it has improved my shooting and I'd taken my accuracy with it as far as possible. I know from shooting Trampy's version, just what to expect from it when I get it back thou.

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I actually enjoyed shooting the iron sights at 15 yards... then moved the four-inch target back to 33 yards, and couldn't see that damn thing!

Thank you for the chastisement, I enjoyed that.

Coypu Hunter said:

Yup, you're alone. Get yer coat, and mind the door doesn't smack you in the ârse on the way out.

I don't mind iron sights, I shoot 'em on my pistols all the time at 25 metres -- but at a great big target that has an eight-inch black circle within a 20X20 inch white surround. The black circle sits nicely on top of the sight picture, and I can even adjust the position of the black circle within that sight picture at that range to compensate for different-powered cartridges.

Out to 15 yards, I can shoot the 85 reasonably well over open sights. However, when shooting at a four-inch target card at 33 yards, all I can see is a tiny white blob. A scope makes it possible to aim at the bullseye, rather than just loosing off pellets in the general direction of the target.

Capisce?

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Yer okay, I did see that you'd been to New York.

I've tried using iron sights with my air rifles as well as small and full bore rifles but I can't hit anything with them.

My .25 BSA came fitted with special peep sights ... my dad was hitting stuff straight away but I just couldn't settle with them. Now my old BSA Superstar which is in storage has its original open sights on and comes up to the eye perfectly so I might give it a go.

As for looks ... well the BSA Stutzen and HW77 look amazing in open sights.

Perhaps that will be this years challenge. Shoot a decent group with open sights at 15m.

Trampilot said:

I've tried using iron sights with my air rifles as well as small and full bore rifles but I can't hit anything with them.

My .25 BSA came fitted with special peep sights ... my dad was hitting stuff straight away but I just couldn't settle with them. Now my old BSA Superstar which is in storage has its original open sights on and comes up to the eye perfectly so I might give it a go.

As for looks ... well the BSA Stutzen and HW77 look amazing in open sights.

Perhaps that will be this years challenge. Shoot a decent group with open sights at 15m.

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Folk like Spock must have been shooting live stuff at much greater distances with open sights before scopes became affordable. Perhaps he'll get out of his pit and tell us how he did that.

Another thing, I can't understand why dealers have adverts showing rifles fitted with open sites with a scope attached (scope and mounts not included). How crazy is that?