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Keir Starmer: ‘tory Brexiteers Are Living In A Fantasy World’

I'm sad to say Mr Starmer needs to have a talk with himself on this. Brexit is voted into law and now many supporters including Mr Starmer appear to be seeking to make a name for themselves (or in his case be the next Labour leader?).
 
Kier Starmer is just one man, as soon as Labour got in it would be mired in the same bickering and inertia that the Conservative party is experiencing. The whole bloody Brexit thing from David Cameron's failed negotiations to reform the EU onwards has been a fiasco, lies and misinformation, bigotry and elitism from both sides of the argument. I'm actually ashamed of how polarised our politics have become. Any political system that gives a closet communist like Corbyn a chance to lead/destroy the 5th largest economy in the world must be flawed. Centrist politics and moderation have become dirty words.
I found myself unable to vote for either of the two main parties at the last general election. They're all self serving liars that promise what they can't deliver.
 
I HAD to vote conservative at the last election- I don't normally- because I didn't want Corbyn's lot to get in and reverse Brexit.
 
capitalism Vs communalism is there ever a winner , there is no way of mixing them because one contradicts the other.
both labour and the conservatives have tried taking the middle ground over the last 20 years, which has made voting for a party just about impossible, because they are all the same (middle ground) so people just been voting for the one they like the look of ,or because they have always voted that way
so I think Corbyn is doing the right think by creating a real left wing party for people to vote for we just need the
conservatives to move back to the right. al lest we would have some sort of system back in place

I don't agree with Corbyn views ,but he has given the political system a shake up
 
I've never liked the Labour party, I've seen first hand trade union abuse.
I have always said the labour party "aren't fit to run a whelk stall never mind a country".
I don't suppose anyone remembers when the last Labour government lost power they left a note" sorry there is no money left, good luck", that about sums them up. spend, spend, spend- just like Viv Nicholson the pools winner and look what happened to her.
 
I doubt Corbyn himself would have backed out, even against the will of his youth vote or the trade unions. The EU legislation against government subsidies would have got in the way of his nationalisation projects.
 
I also remember the huge piles of rubbish all over Liverpool, the blackouts and the angry, scared people who had been put on a 3 day week... I had just moved to England from Northern Ireland as a child. Looking back I must have thought "why did they bring me to this filthy shit hole" (but in nicer words because I was only young)....this is why I could never vote for a radical leftist government. I've seen first hand the results of socialism and strong trade unions... it's shit.
 
I don't see Corbyn as radical Left. The problem I see is, first we had Thatcher and the birth of neoliberalism. Later we got Blair who was further Right than Thatcher. Because Blair allowed and promoted neoliberalism to its fullest, the following Conservative government could afford to be even further Right. I've always said, Thatcher will be turning in her grave at PM's like Cameron and May.

Now, anything moderate is considered Marxist or radical Left... Its a sad state of affairs but it is what it is.
 
Corbyn is a dyed in the wool Marxist communist, if he ever got into power he's take us back to the 1970s and the 3 day week.
 
What makes him a Marxist communist. Do you even understand what Marxist Communism is? No country has ever been truly communist as Marx would have wanted so its not like we have comparisons. But anyway, he likes some Marxist theory but so do I and I'm certainly not communist. Marx argued that in the post-capitalist phase, the state would disappear for lack of purpose. We would have to be blind or have zero interest in politics to not see this happening in the UK. Even May, out of pure desperation, is now adopting some Labour economics.

Is Corbyn a Marxist because he wants to save essential infrastructures like hospitals and schools from becoming privatized?
Is he a communist because he wants to fight for human rights or because he's willing to fight for a fairer democracy?
Is he communist because he wants to stop the writing off of our manufacturing industry and the selling off of our natural assets to the highest bidder? or because he wants to stop handing the control of our economy to City hedge-funds and tax dodging corporations.

What is it that makes him communist?
 
Always a good idea for Forums ( any ) to not do POLITICS or RELIGION.

Imo.
 
they are the two subjects that get people hot under the collar.
this is a prepping and survival forum not a political think tank.
 
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