Keith
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Yes, I know this is not the UK or Australia, but I think it should help remind us that nothing is certain. Different people react in different ways to a variety of situations, & we all know that the government, any government, does not have the best interests of the citizens at heart. Given the right or wrong situation, any country can find themselves under martial law!saw some of this on the news channels, police brutality at its worst.
yes, even in the UK police have killed the wrong/innocent person, that Brazilian carpenter for instance- carlos menendes- was murdered by police on the tube because they thought he was a terrorist, he wasn't.
I cant imagine martial law in the UK, don't think we even had it in the war, different generation- law abiding even in the middle of a war, but its different now we have the "snowflake" generation.
the amount of bullets they pumped into him I call it murder, at the end of the day he was innocent of any terrorist activity, they -the police- only got it wrong because the copper who was watching the flat went for a piss and took his eyes off the ball so they followed the wrong person, the rest as they say is history.I'm sorry LW but I am going to take issue with the use of the word murdered in this context. One has to understand the background to the case. Tragic as it was, Mr Menendes - whose name was Jean Charles de Menendes, not Carlos Menendes (who was the general in charge of Argentina's Falkland's invasion force) had outstayed his visa and was in the UK illegally. By a very unfortunate set of circumstances he was staying a flat in a hallway opposite a suspect for the 7/7 bombings. He matched the description of the suspect and was tailed from the flat, he vaulted the turnstiles at the tube station (i.e. to avoid buying a ticket - a fraudulent act) and ran when asked to stop. The Shooters (SO19) were given information that he was most likely their suspect and, given that he ran, they were instructed to stop him at all costs (and please be mindful that the 7/7 bombers had killed 52 people the day before, some of who were on a tube train). The mistake was realised and message to call off the stop was clearly sent, unfortunately the police radios did not work deep in the tube system and the massage was not received.
I do not believe calling it "murder" is therefore appropriate. It was tragic and an awful waste of a life - but it was a genuine case of mistaken identity - sometimes it happens (e.g the Stephen Waldorff case).
There have been police murders and an example that may have been more appropriate might have been Blair Peach.
Sorry to get on your case m8 - but it's what it is
the previous labour government of Tony Blair banned fox hunting, something that has happened here for thousands of years, I was brought up in a city but even I can see the point when foxes are classed as vermin for the damage they cause to livestock but try telling that to someone who has never even been in the countryside.
now we have these knife laws, air rifles have to be licensed in Scotland- I wonder how long it will be before it happens in England? several swans have been shot by some idiot with a crossbow- how long before they are banned here?
the amount of bullets they pumped into him I call it murder, at the end of the day he was innocent of any terrorist activity, they -the police- only got it wrong because the copper who was watching the flat went for a piss and took his eyes off the ball so they followed the wrong person, the rest as they say is history.
They're scared of losing Catalonia because it's paying a disproportionately large part of the taxes going to Madrid. Without the support of Catalonian wealth the rest of Spain would start to break away much faster. It must be remembered that Spain isn't really one nation. More like a federation at what used to be kingdoms before Franco squeezed then together with an iron fist.I felt the imagery uncomfortably reminiscent of the first poll during the fall of apartheid in South Africa. Not something we would wish to see in Europe. The strange part of it is that the Spanish authorities must be fearful of an independence vote to be so violently opposed to it. It would surely have made more sense to allow the vote to go ahead and see what level of support for independence really exists in the region. I rather suspect that the independence movement has garnered more support as a result of the Spanish authorities' actions.
Are we still talking about foxes or hunt saboteurshad them around the local abattoir the other week getting in the way of the farmers and the lorries.
how some of them didn't go under the lorries and get flattened i'll never know.