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as pagans wife and I celebrate the solstice or yule, wife has herbal skills and is a life long countrywoman, I love the countryside and all things natural.
I hate the rampant commercialism of the modern world, everybody is in debt and thinks nothing of adding to that debt, most people cant pay off that debt even if they wanted to yet they keep on adding to it, I wonder where it will end?
 
as pagans wife and I celebrate the solstice or yule, wife has herbal skills and is a life long countrywoman, I love the countryside and all things natural.
I hate the rampant commercialism of the modern world, everybody is in debt and thinks nothing of adding to that debt, most people cant pay off that debt even if they wanted to yet they keep on adding to it, I wonder where it will end?

That my friend could make another discussion altogether, & involves many other social problems such as gambling, jobless, rent prices, university fees, wages, welfare payments, house prices, mortgages, Bank fees, etc etc. Once you get yourself into debt, it can be a long hard task climbing out of it. This in turn can lead to homelessness, people living on the streets, crime, suicide. It is a slippery slope for some if they don't stop before reaching the edge. You can see how it can quite easily happen.
You have a decent job, you want to give your family what you think is a good life, perhaps a better one than you had. You are putting a little away, & at the same time extending yourself, maybe taking a chance & taking a loan against future wages. Then the bottom falls out of whatever market you are in. Suddenly you are jobless, redundant. You can't pay the bank back & those saving will not last long. You move to a cheaper rental, but that too won't last long. The marriage starts to falter, & there you are, right on the edge! It's a familiar story down the years, & there are a lot of these people out there. You can find them living on the streets & under bridges or in derelict buildings.
Let's not even get into those that turn to crime & drugs. It seems a long way from purchasing too many expensive useless Xmas presents doesn't it, but it happens. Just like I have seen people put food back so they can afford cigarettes, they will let their kids go hungry. There are a lot of people that have their priorities all wrong.
Like you say my friend, "There's now't as queer as folk".
Keith.
 
I have known people in the past who EXPECT to have 2 foreign holidays a year yet they have little more than 3 or 4 days food in the house, when they lose their jobs they are straight down the food bank, (when I was working there was no such thing as a food bank),priorities all wrong?
it dosent take a rocket scientist to understand that buying a few extra tins or some packets of dried food each week or stocking up a meat freezer needn't cost the earth, in fact it dosent cost very much, when one is in work, will give someone at least a bit of a breathing space in the lean times, our ancestors knew all about this but it seems to have been missed or ignored by the modern generation.
 
hate the rampant commercialism of the modern world, everybody is in debt and thinks nothing of adding to that debt, most people cant pay off that debt even if they wanted to yet they keep on adding to it, I wonder where it will end?

It will end in tears, it's a matter of when. Rampant debt and consumerism is a by-product of capitalism. Capitalism can only function with continual growth. It is not possible to have continual growth within a finite system (capitalism being finite due to finite global resources) it has to come to an end at some point. There is no other outcome unless a radical system change takes place, and even then rising populations still place a finite restriction on any replacement system.
 
we live in a CONSUMER society, we HAVE to keep consuming to keep the whole system going, that's why nothing is built to last anymore-when it packs up you cant repair it you have to buy a new one, that's how the whole capitalist system works. if we all stopped buying stuff the system would collapse, and not just in the UK.
 
we live in a CONSUMER society, we HAVE to keep consuming to keep the whole system going, that's why nothing is built to last anymore-when it packs up you cant repair it you have to buy a new one, that's how the whole capitalist system works. if we all stopped buying stuff the system would collapse, and not just in the UK.

Capitalism is not entirely based on consumerism, it has morphed that way of recent decades. It is however based on the principle of continual growth, but I sincerely doubt Adam Smith had the modern greedy society in mind when he wrote Wealth of Nations.
 
very little seems to be made or produced in the UK any more, we seem to have evolved into a service country, everything else is shipped in from abroad sometimes from the other side of the planet, if imports were to stop for any reason this country would grind to a halt.
 
It would certainly reduce the choice in the shops for sure - would that be such a bad thing though?
 
trouble is there is too much choice in the shops especially some supermarkets, so NO I don't think it would be so bad, but i'm sure many would.
 
My worry is that there might not be a "colour for the year" (apparently it is a kind of purple for 2018 - when asked if I knew what it was at a Boxing Day meal my response of f*** off was not universally accepted).

;)
 
you lost me there mate, I haven't got a flippin' clue what you are talking about!!:lol:
 
you lost me there mate, I haven't got a flippin' clue what you are talking about!!:lol:

Well, as explained to me all the clothes designers and fashion houses decide which colour of clothing will be most dominant and start producing in that colour. The aim being to get people to buy a new colour coded wardrobe of clothes and bin their existing perfectly good ones that are not worn out. This, apparently, makes the fashion houses loads of money (I didn't know what "fashion houses" were either until Boxing Day - I cannot reprint here, for reasons of modesty, the word I used to describe them) ;) :p
 
unlike The Kinks I have never been " a dedicated follower of fashion" as anyone who knows me would confirm!!:lol:
denim and camo is what I wear.

I'm not too far off that myself. Wasn't camo 1939's "colour of the year" m8 :rofl:
 
unlike The Kinks I have never been " a dedicated follower of fashion" as anyone who knows me would confirm!!:lol:
denim and camo is what I wear.
Same here. The last time I followed a fashion was back in the 70’s when I was a Mod. Since then I mooch about in jeans, tee shirt, boots fleece/hoodie/gilet depending on the weather & a baseball cap.
 
Same here. The last time I followed a fashion was back in the 70’s when I was a Mod. Since then I mooch about in jeans, tee shirt, boots fleece/hoodie/gilet depending on the weather & a baseball cap.
sounds like me, mostly its jeans, tee shirt, trainers, camo hoodie and camo cap.
 
sounds like me, mostly its jeans, tee shirt, trainers, camo hoodie and camo cap.
No Camo gear here, haven’t had any since I left the Army in the 80’s. I’ve got 2 caps, one with a Huey copter & one a friend in Massachusetts sent me raising funds for the US POW/MIA organisation which is close to our hearts.
 
I love camo gear, I've got lots of camo jackets and 3 pairs of combat trousers. its normal working gear where I live.
my main problem is getting the size- well I am 3XLFB( 3 extra large fat bastard)!!!
 
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